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Planetshakers and Mike Guglielmucci – What Happens to the Music Now?

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Ethical question for you…

What would you do if you were Planetshakers?

What happens to the Planetshakers music that Mike Guglielmucci wrote, performed and produced?

Some of these are by-far my favorite Planetshakers were written by Mike Guglielmucci – “Healer”, “Pick it Up” and “Majesty” as well as other popular songs like “Evermore” – powerful songs with biblical messages.

  • Do you keep selling these CD’s and DVD’s, or do you take them off the shelves?
  • Do you offer refunds to people who purchased these albums for Guglielmucci’s song “Healer”?
  • Do you continue to credit Michael Guglielmucci for his pivotal role in writing, performing and producing much of the music? Or do you remove references to Michael Guglielmucci to disassociate from him?

I don’t think there are any right or wrong answers here.

However, I thought the response by Planetshakers has been interesting…

“Savior of the World”, the 2007 recording of Planetshakers conference (on DVD and CD) that includes Mike Guglielmucci’s now infamous performance of “Healer” as well as several other songs written by Michael Guglielmucci has been removed from sale from the Planetshakers store.

All other albums where Michael Guglielmucci contributed his songwriting talent (“Never Stop”, “Pick it Up”, “Arise”, and “Always and Forever” to name a few) are still on sale.

But here’s the interesting bit…

Planetshakers has removed references to Michael Guglielmucci, crediting his role on these albums, from their web-site.

For example, the online blurb for Planetshakers 2004 album “Always and Forever” previously read:

Produced by lead songwriter Henry Seeley, with songwriting credits and lead vocals to Mike Guglielmucci and Sam Evans, Always and Forever is an album not to be missed.

Now, the blurb on the Planetshakers discography page reads:

Produced by lead songwriter Henry Seeley, with songwriting credits and lead vocals to Sam Evans, Always and Forever is an album not to be missed.

And the blurb for the 2007 album “Never Stop” previously read:

“Featuring Henry Seeley, Mike Guglielmucci and Sam Evans, this studio album is signature Planetshakers praise and worship for a new generation. Includes CD and bonus DVD of Planetshakers live worship and inspiring messages.”

Now:

“Featuring Henry Seeley and Sam Evans, this studio album is signature Planetshakers praise and worship for a new generation. Includes CD and bonus DVD of Planetshakers live worship and inspiring messages.”

(All references to Planetshakers live album “Savior of the World” have also been removed entirely from the Planetshakers Discography page.)

These are conspicuous absenses given Mike Guglielmucci wrote 11 out of 13 of the songs on “Never Stop”, and 7 out of the 10 songs on “Always and Forever”.

It makes me think…

  • Should Mike Guglielmucci lose the credit for his hard work?
  • Should ANY of Planetshakers’ stars be getting individual credit for their work?
  • Should Planetshakers learn to focus all credit on Jesus rather than individuals? – particularly given the flawed nature of humans, which has never been more evident at Planetshakers than in the Michael Guglielmucci cancer fraud
  • Should “Always and Forever” be removed from sale, as it was?
  • And, given that Michael Guglielmucci wrote the MOST of Planetshakers music over the past few years, should all albums that feature his songs be removed from sale?

Obviously this final point would significantly impact the church…

In a 2006, Melbourne newspaper The Age interviewed Planetshakers Senior Pastor, Russell Evans, for an article titled “The Idol Edge”. The article revealed:

“Russell Evans says 70,000 Planetshakers albums are sold in Australia each year, with 12 albums released so far.”

Although the albums Mike Guglielmucci was involved with are 2 years old or older (meaning they’re “matured” in their product life-cycle), surely taking these albums off shelves would damage the revenue Planetshakers gains from album sales.

But does keeping them on sale damage Planetshakers’ credibility?

And is Planetshakers right to try and avoid negative publicity, by attempting to hide credit for Michael Guglielmucci’s work on Planetshakers’ albums?

I’m not sure what, ethically, is the best outcome; however the current outcome seems a bit luke-warm… To keep selling most albums featuring Mike Guglielmucci’s work, but hide the fact that he worked on them. To me this seems like a “middle of the road” compromise on a touchy ethical subject.

What are your thoughts? – What was the right outcome?

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  1. The interesting thing is that Mike co-wrote many of the songs on the latest Hillsong’s This Is Our God album too.

    Hillsong Website has already removed “Healer” from the album’s song listing.

    Colin Tan

    August 23, 2008 at 3:11 pm

  2. Thanks for stopping by, Colin. I didn’t realize this was the case.

    However, I did notice that the day Michael Guglielmucci’s fraud came to light, Hillsong launched copyright claims over all YouTube videos featuring “Healer” including I believe one that I believe was from the “Savior of the World” recording – which I thought was under Planetshakers’ (or at least Word Publishing’s) control.

    ACC (AoG in Australia) was also quick to get in touch with web-sites that it could influence which ranked well in Google for Michael Guglielmucci’s name, to try and stem negative publicity.

    Planetshakers Insider

    August 23, 2008 at 3:42 pm

  3. I think it’s a little wierd that they would just “delete” his name like that, as if he never exsisted. That makes me wonder if they would sweep other stuff under the carpet if they could before others in the church would find out.

    FEED THE FIRE

    August 23, 2008 at 3:43 pm

  4. Hi Rob,

    I wouldn’t be so worried about Planetshakers hiding church members’ transgressions from church members – people are fundamentally sinful, and confidentially is part of the nature of confession.

    I agree with your comment:

    “I think it’s a little wierd that they would just “delete” his name like that, as if he never exsisted.”

    I thought it was a little odd too. I wondered most about the motive for doing this – is it to hide from potential criticism or scrutiny? Is it to take Mike Guglielmucci out of the spotlight while he heals psychologically? Is it to ensure sales continue?

    I think there are honorable motives, and dishonorable motives – I only hope that the motive was honorable.

    Planetshakers Insider

    August 23, 2008 at 4:17 pm

  5. mmm, I don’t like that response as it seems like damage control and ‘covering their arse’. It’s early days yet though – perhaps we can expect a better response in the future. Mike has yet to even come up with a statement or explanation. I believe an announcement was to be made at ACC’s around Australia today…

    Ben

    August 24, 2008 at 8:38 am

  6. To be exact,Mike cowrote 5 of the 17 songs released on the latest Hillsong album. Prior to his illness, I don’t think he had ever recorded with Hillsong. It is strange to simple wipe his name as if it never existed because the song is so anointed! I do agree they are just doing it out of good intention. I feel for his church and family.

    alyssa

    August 24, 2008 at 9:06 am

  7. Well, I’m not a legal expert, but I’m pretty sure it’s illegal for them to remove his name. They might have been better off consulting a lawyer, just to be in the safe side.

    FEED THE FIRE

    August 24, 2008 at 9:42 am

  8. There is some fantastic information on this website, as I have been following this story as it develops, I have found this information very enlightening, but am also very aware that anything that I read on the internet has it’s own biases.

    It’s intriguing to hear peoples views on what is going on. I suppose I am a fence sitter. There are so many things about it that I am incapable of understanding. The whole situation is a humbling one in some ways. We are only human, and even the “best” of us have our faults.

    There are so many emotions around this issue, the fact that he toyed with emotions the way he did was unacceptable, but he is obviously a very sick man. He didn’t have control over some of these actions (we can only assume) because he did seem to have his heart in an alright place.

    It comes down to motives, it comes down to what is true. It comes down to the fact that God is a hell of a lot more forgiving than we deserve and God has control here even if Mike doesn’t.

    In light of this, What is hope? Where is hope? what does it look like here?

    I have been very interested in the angles that the secular media has taken on this whole thing. They seem to see the money side of it of extreme significance. I don’t agree to be honest, the money is gone, sure it didn’t go to the dying man they thought it was but what’s done is done- it is ONLY money. The hearts and emotions and all that internal pain that this causes people is so much more than just some cash.

    Today I read an article (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,24230912-5006301,00.html) which has yet again another strange angle. It seems odd that they have brought a porn addiction into the papers, it’s hardly relevant to the current situation, and as devastating as it is that there is more to this than just the cancer the man needs some privacy, some time to heal. I don’t agree with just letting all this into the public.

    It’s a very emotional story, one that affects all Christians, and not just those associated with the planet shakers church. As a teenager, I find this a huge blow, and wonder how I would be feeling now if it was my youth pastor, a trusted adult friend, who lied to me and deceived me in thinking that he as dying. The truth is.. I can’t imagine the pain that those closest to him are feeling. I can’t begin to comprehend how I would react if I was to find out that some I respected so deeply was being so untrue.

    Thanks for this website though, your thoughts are valid, and hope that one day they may be not only heard- but received and utilized to bring about a healthy change.

    IB

    August 24, 2008 at 11:13 am

  9. IB

    August 24, 2008 at 11:33 am

  10. For me I feel we are over reacting , Ito a situation whereby a man sinned and now we are getting rid of every single trace of him using his God given gifts to serve God and His people. Even if he were still deep in his sin’m sure he still had a relationship with God and that he struggled just like many of us in sin. God is still able to use people despite their sinful nature. Look at Paul in the bible, and what about King David? Are we going to stop reading Psalms now that we know he committed a terrible sin? Just adding my two cents. I really pray for the church and planetshakers at the moment as this is a “dark moment” for them.

    Samuel C

    August 24, 2008 at 11:43 am

  11. “Should Planetshakers learn to focus all credit on Jesus rather than individuals? – particularly given the flawed nature of humans, which has never been more evident at Planetshakers than in the Michael Guglielmucci cancer fraud.”

    Yes.

    That being said, credit given where credit due. On the fine print, there would be the names of people involved in writing/performing the songs. MG should stay on that. But I don’t think his name should be used in promoting the CDs on the back cover bits.

    The question is- should anyone’s name be there? Better to keep the focus on Jesus, rather than the Earthen vessels He uses.

    Amanda

    August 24, 2008 at 12:58 pm

  12. “I think it’s a little wierd that they would just “delete” his name like that, as if he never existed”.

    That is alot like Hillsong’s reaction to Geoff Bullock.

    After Geoff’s fall, apparently much of his stock was found at the garbage tip.

    These Churches do not understand Grace. The organization, the Brand, and the revenue stream are always bigger and more important than the individual.

    Lionfish

    August 24, 2008 at 1:16 pm

  13. Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone.

    Jessie

    August 24, 2008 at 1:54 pm

  14. well said jessie

    Angela

    August 24, 2008 at 2:29 pm

  15. Amanda:

    “The question is- should anyone’s name be there? Better to keep the focus on Jesus, rather than the Earthen vessels He uses.”

    I agree completely.

    Can the church be rocked by scandal if no individual is placed in its foundation?

    Jesse:

    I also agree with your comment. It does seem odd for stones to be cast at Mike Guglielmucci for his sins given that we’re all fundamentally sinful, while some members of Planetshakers are still kept on a pedestal as if they are immune from that sinfulness.

    Lionfish:

    “These Churches do not understand Grace. The organization, the Brand, and the revenue stream are always bigger and more important than the individual.”

    This is secretly my worry. However, I’m an optimist and I’m more inclined to want to think peoples motives are pure.

    Planetshakers Insider

    August 24, 2008 at 2:38 pm

  16. Feed The Fire,

    It is not illegal to remove Mike’s name from their website. The website is merely an information avenue. They can put up or take down whatever they like. They are also quite within their rights to remove Michael’s name from the liner notes of any of their albums. They will legally need to keep paying songwriting royalties to Mike’s publisher as per the contract they have entered into with Mike (very standard and nothing sinister) but that’s it.

    Nikki

    August 24, 2008 at 4:00 pm

  17. I think there is a big underlying problem here…
    That we in the pentecostal world have become accustomed to substituting/confusing emotional feelings with spiritual experiences. Of course the Healer song brought out all kinds of emotions, but that does NOT mean it is God anointed by default. The problem for Planteshakers and Hillsong is that they have already placed this song (as well as many others) on a huge ‘super spiritual’ pedestal and are now quite stuck. To admit the obvious truth that we’ve been deceived by a wolf in the fold for some time (as further evidenced by the porn addiction) is admitting that we’ve been doing ‘worship’ wrong. Even though worldly/ungodly pop idols can and always have been able to get the same emotional responses from their audiences that pentecostal worship teams do we in the church have preferred to suggest ours is a spiritual response to the Holy Spirit moving. This incident just goes to show they are one and the same response! The heart of worship is NOT the ability to play carefully edited music to evoke emotional responses, but rather a state of mind that we should LIVE in NOT just on Sunday (or whenever the church meeting is).
    The guy Mike Guglielmucci has been exposed as a FRAUD and this happens from time to time. As others have stated humans are fallible and imperfect, all of us. For the church leaders to make statements such as Mike should be forgiven and that he will be restored to his place of ministry ect. while hastily removing his name from cd’s and materials on sale is just plain HYPOCRISY!
    Actions have consequences. Should Mike come to the place of repentence before God then of course he is forgiven instantly because God is faithful. Would this mean he steps straight back to his spot on the public pedistal? No, he has brought the name of Jesus into disrepute and will join the likes of Jimmy Swaggot as men who have lost the privelege of heading public ministry.

    Jason

    August 24, 2008 at 5:34 pm

  18. Yep lets take his name off everything so we dont lose record sales…

    Paul

    August 24, 2008 at 7:10 pm

  19. Michael is as much a part of the body of Christ as any other blood bought believer. Instead of dropping him like a bag of poo, why don’t they critically reflect upon the culture and values that exist within these church organisations and take some responsability as well. Why can’t people in leadership be allowed to be imperfect and vulnerable instead of feeling the need to fake it. This problem is huge but it is a symptom of a much deeper problem that exists within these church cultures. I should know, I have has to walk away and spend seven years of my life reconstructing my belief systems. I have wrestled long and hard with similar problems as Michael and I know that God is different to what most western, consumerist, Pentecostals think he is.

    mark

    August 24, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  20. I AM APPALLED, DISGUSTED, ANGRY!

    Is this how they solve issues. SHouldn’t this be the time where planet shakers exercise what they preach? Since they’ve been preaching about Jesus, forgiveness, love, grace, etc, there’s no better time for them to even put them into practice,

    In fact, the fall of Mike Gugs is merely a symptom, a flaw of this christian pop culture they have been breeding in the past decade. They should reassess their approach towards Christianity. Stop churning out another ‘idol’ where young people would ‘praise’ and ‘jump’ alongside with them in order to feed their fame.

    Phil 1. 15 – 18, “Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill. The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.”

    I just hope they are really helping and praying for Mike and his family in this time.

    kinsan

    August 24, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  21. and i forgot to add…

    I really hope that they will not ostracize him from the community. If they can’t receive a sinner like him, then i don’t know who will they receive.

    kinsan

    August 24, 2008 at 7:32 pm

  22. do we really need music to get us into the worship spirit?!since when God need our emotional worship enhancement drugs!
    I wounder also “I say that with the utmost respect to the holy spirit”, but did the healed pastor also speak in tongues?! could that be unreal “fraud” too?! how can you speak(pray) in/by the “holy spirit” in the presence of deception, if we are/he is praying in tongues to edify self, what sort of spiritual edification is that??!!
    Please WAKE UP AOG….

    THE LORD IS NEAR
    and most of what you offer is not for the spirit heart but only for the eye and EAR.

    It’s much more than just to cheer,
    but it is love after GOD’S fear.

    Lots of emotions and tears, and deception year after year!

    GOD HELP US the shepherd voice HEAR, AND to the truth ADHERE.

    GLORY BE TO YOUR NAME ONLY from a loving heart and sincere!

    very embarrassed Christian!

    MAN

    August 24, 2008 at 7:56 pm

  23. Mike is human am i right? Just like you and me. It is in human nature to sin. That is one of the areas where we fall short of being perfect like our God. Noone is perfect and we all have lied and we all have sinned at some point in our life whether it be big or small we have all done it. I’m not saying it is right to do so but regardless of how well known we are, it’s a road we have all travelled down. I only have small knowlege on whats happened as I have only read what is in newspapers and heard from friends but as shocking as it all is why should his name be wiped off of CD’s? He has put effort into writing some beautiful songs just as much as other people who are menitoned on there. Why does it even matter. These songs are for our God. They’re coming from the heart. The heart of a mere human wanting to worship an almighty God. Why should it matter that his name was on there. Regardless of what he has done, regardless of what we have all done, we’re all coming together as one body of Christ praising our one and only God and writers, publishers etc etc shouldnt influence this. Bottom line is publicity and image shouldnt be an issue in the church, it should be the reason why we are coming together that matters the most.

    Carly

    August 24, 2008 at 10:06 pm

  24. Kinsan:
    “I AM APPALLED, DISGUSTED, ANGRY!

    Is this how they solve issues. SHouldn’t this be the time where planet shakers exercise what they preach? Since they’ve been preaching about Jesus, forgiveness, love, grace, etc, there’s no better time for them to even put them into practice”

    As an attender of Planetshakers City Church I can assure you that, after attending today’s service, Planetshakers church is indeed excercising what they preach on grace, love, and forgiveness in this issue. Our Senior Pastor addressed us today in response to the Mike issue, and they have handled this situation as best they can. He encouraged us to pray for Mike, and to respond in a Christian manner, not just letting our emotions rule the issue. Even before the church service, when they first found out they sent us an email, so as not to hide it from us for half a week, encouraging us in the same way, to pray for him and his family, and to respond in a Christian manner. They have NOT simply cut him out of everything, but they will no longer use his name to ADVERTISE their music.

    To connect with the issue that has been raised, in terms of Mike getting credit where credit is due, Mike’s name should still be listed in the actual album covers, under “Words and Music Written by…”, and as far as I am aware, with the information that has been portrayed to me, this is the case. In connection to “Healer” on “Saviour of the World”, it is being removed from the CD and DVD, thus the main song connected with Mike’s current situation will no longer be used to bring in profit to Planetshakers. As for crediting the individual, I’m not sure, but I do believe it is a legal thing to at least write in the album credits somewhere who wrote what songs. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on that. As a result, I don’t think there is anyway to completely sever the individual from the song. But, Planetshakers don’t emphasise who wrote it. In church and at conference, when the songs are released, before the album is released, we are usually not told who wrote what song, and it is only after the album release we find out that our favourite song was written by whoever wrote it.

    That’s all from a fact point of view. However, to throw my opinion in on the issue of worship in the modern church, there are many views here. Personally, as a muso, I find that music helps me to draw close to God. It is not the ONLY way I can draw close to God, but it does help. It is also something that many people can connect with, and singing to the Lord is a very Biblical thing. Even looking at the Psalms, we can see that. In terms of judging the ACC/AoG churches overall for this, I don’t think it can be done. Most preach that we should not rely on worship songs alone to worship and cultivate a relationship with God, and Planetshakers is one such church. Not all remind us of that, and some may believe that it is the only way, simple because of the culture of the day.

    When it gets right down to it, if we are trying to reach people, and we aren’t doing it in a way that is relevant, then we aren’t likely to reach many people. Currently, music is a big influencer, and if Churches aren’t utilizing this tool, are we being relevant? I agree that there is a culture that worship in song form and from the stage is being seen as the only way to do it, but most churches stress that they don’t take that view. I know Planetshakers doesn’t. In truth, they do their best to stress to us that the stage, a big show, is not the point, but God Himself is the reason we meet. And, if we think about it, the musicians praise God with their gift. There don’t seem to be many ways for people to express some gifts in church, yet God uses the people in the background all the more.

    In the end, I do believe God can move powerfully when we focus all our attention on Him. Whether this happens in a meeting during the songs, or it happens in the preaching, or at home when we read our Bible, or when we go for our morning run, God will show up when we draw near to Him, and live our lives close to Him. Which means He can, and will, show up in worship through song, even if the church sings every week, week after week, after week. Yet, at the same time, if He doesn’t, what does it matter? Is not the point of worship to lift up Jesus? If we feel nothing, why should that matter, as long as we lift up our Lord.

    Which brings me to the point of Mike’s songs. I love them, and I still sing them, and listen to them, because regardless of the position the songwriter was in when he wrote the song, God can still move through it. Hasn’t God proven time and again that He works through imperfect people? Thus, I don’t care who wrote it, “Healer” can still inspire people to get into God’s presence, to believe for miracles. Which is one reason why I do disagree that it be taken off all albums. While the point may be to worship God, if that song can inspire someone to keep holding on in faith for a miracle, why shouldn’t it be around?

    To answer the very initial question about selling CD’s and DVD’s with Mike’s songs, I feel it would be a mistake to do so. Again, if a song reaches someone, regardless of who wrote it, God can still work through it. So, why bother getting rid of them just because of Mike’s current situation?

    Steve

    August 25, 2008 at 1:45 am

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  26. Well, if we disassociate ourselves with those who sin then we leave out a majority of the church – everyone has sin at some level in their life. However, when the level of fraud gets to the point it did with Mike, it is difficult not to have the reaction of getting out the proverbial flaming torches and pitchforks and calling out the angry villagers. We should reserve judgement for those who are in authority over him that he has submitted himself to. If they are willing to help him walk through the process of repentance and restoration, then we can let God work on our own attitudes about what happened and bring them into line with the Word if we are out of line.

    Once someone writes a song, the copyright for their part of the song remains theirs and should be credited to them. It’s their work, and their personal sin issues should have no bearing on whether they own their own work or not. Now, whether the public continues to listen to it and buy it is up to them. But the publishers have every right to pull his work off their product, because they are ambassadors of Christ in this world. However, they cannot “uncredit” him (unless they can do it legally in the country it is copy written in ) or if he plagiarized the work. As far as I know that is the only way they can legally take his name off the actual album. I do not think, however, they are required to post it on the website. As long as they leave it on the CD. More than likely they will sell the publishing rights to his songs to someone and rerelease the remaining songs on a different CD if they feel keeping him on will not be good for the ministry.

    There is also the issue of Mike stepping down from ministry – it is appropriate for a minister to step down in order to undergo a minimum time of counseling and correction – and of course he may have to serve time in jail if the courts determine his crime was deliberate and fits the criteria for that kind of punishment – and who knows but that he may end up with a thriving Prison Ministry like Chuck Colson did – assuming he actually repents and leaves his life of sin to follow Jesus the right way this time.

    You would be shocked at how many men in the pulpit commit these types of sin and never repent. I know of many such instances, and to see men preaching Christ from the pulpit when I know that they have not repented really angers me.

    However, there is a difference between a grown man ignoring the Word of God to indulge in sin he doesn’t care to repent of, and a young boy who begins to struggle with an obsession he doesn’t understand and cannot seem to escape from or control… there are obviously some deep spiritual and mental issues here and he needs professional help. He could have just kept it to himself and no one would have ever known.

    The fact that Mike is willing to confess his sin and get help is a HUGE step toward restoration. We have NO idea how many people struggle with addiction to porn in the church – some say it is as bad as it is in the world… this should not be. But if Mike can get help to overcome this by confession, counseling, accountability and repentance, and others who are struggling with this see that there is freedom from this horrid, decrepit lifestyle and they can find true freedom in Christ – well, can you imagine how many people can be set free from an anointed REAL testimony from this man?? Now THAT would be a miracle and a testimony of God’s Grace and mercy well worth displaying before the world.

    I found this commentary on the group Selah’s music website. It is about one of the composers of a hymn on the “Greatest Hymns” album. I’ll just post it below and leave it at that.

    ” There Is A Fountain –

    Sometimes it seems as though we can never relate to the writers of the great hymns of our faith—that these authors are on an entirely different “spiritual wavelength” than the rest of us. However, William Cowper, who wrote these strong and assuring words of God’s love and mercy, was never able to rest in that security in his own troubled life. He suffered a nervous breakdown, attempted suicide several times, and was even confined to an insane asylum for a time, where he was placed in a straitjacket for his own protection. Cowper was plagued throughout his lifetime with the feeling that God would someday turn His back on him, a feeling that we have all shared at one time or another. It is said that on his deathbed, however, William Cowper looked upward with amazement on his face and said, “I am not shut out of Heaven after all.” His words of assurance, based on Zechariah 13:1, have comforted and encouraged Christians the world over for two centuries, and will continue to give comfort to doubting Christians throughout the ages until we all have the great assurance and indescribable joy of seeing our Savior face to face. — Allan “

    MrsP

    August 25, 2008 at 10:21 am

  27. I reckon they should leave his name there, otherwise it looks like they are trying to cover it up (which is too late to do). They should stand by Mike & make it clear that what he did is wrong but be there for him & the people affected by this.

    bethany

    August 25, 2008 at 11:12 am

  28. I would hope Planetshakers would use some of its future revenue from its albums that Michael contributed to towards therapy fees to assist in his recovery and restoration.

    It really can be a trivial question as to what sin of anyone else who has made a contribution towards a Planetshakers album disqualifies them from having their name on a future album.

    I trust that Hillsong and Planetshakers are as passionate for Mike being restored as a Man of God as they are with the image of an album.

    Shane

    August 25, 2008 at 5:55 pm

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  30. I hear too many people making comments like “everyone sins.”
    Obviously everyone sins or there would be no need of grace.

    The difference is LIVING in sin. 1 John 1:6
    “If we say we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice truth”

    This guy was obviously walking in darkness. It’s one thing to struggle with sin, but then to come to repentance (which is confessing sin and forsaking sin), but to live a public LIE is to live in sin. He didn’t show any repentance until just now. And I am glad to see that it wasn’t brought out before he repented, and I hope with everything I have that he is making TRUE repentance and will come to the faith.

    The bigger thing here is the pattern seen in the pentecostal/charismatic churches. EVERY SINGLE scam that has ever been revealed of church leaders has been in this movement. Now I know that there are flaws with every denomination, but at the level of pastors and leaders being caught in such extensive sins, it must be making people wonder. WHY is there such a lack of conviction of the horror of sin in these churches?

    And it’s like Jason said earlier. It’s the focus on emotion. Emotions are so subjective and easily lead us in any direction. If they were trustworthy God would not have needed to give us, in black and white, his word. We need to study his word and allow THAT to control our emotions, and not some catchy chorus. Cause I am sure that when Lucifer was leading worship in heaven he was doing a pretty fancy dancy job, but his HEART wasn’t right, it was sinful on the inside.

    We need to be ever aware of our heart, our motives, our thoughts, our love, our attention, cause we are sinful and we need to battle each one of those with the knowledge of truth which can only be derived from the word of God.

    JoshM

    August 26, 2008 at 3:54 am

  31. umm thought, did anyone ever stop to think that maybe Mike authorized them to remove his name and the songs from the album. Knowing both Mike and ps leadership well I think you might want to investigate/think about more than just the tip of the iceberg.

    If someone did this to you on a personal level would you simply disown or neglect their existence? or would you talk to that person and figure out a ‘what now’ course of action? You’re right, churches are full of people and people are full of mistakes, so why the assumption that ‘planetshakers’ are inhumanely ‘dropping’ Mike. There’s an old French saying which in English translation reads, ‘There’s more to life than the tip of your nose’.

    cheers

    esky

    August 26, 2008 at 8:55 am

  32. Hang on to the latest Hillsong album Don’t give it back. in a few yars it’ll be worth a fortune. If they want any back then let them pay a premium price to get them back. now that’s what you call hillsongs prosperity gospel in action. Brian would be proud and upset. Mike is a big let down just like my AOG pastor caught in adultry last year was.

    Their position built arrogance and hubris and they paid the price. And left a train wreck behind them.

    it is time for Houson and the AOG to be forthright and stop hiding things.

    Robert

    August 26, 2008 at 5:19 pm

  33. biblegateway Mar 9:42
    “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea

    roy

    August 26, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  34. I’m a p&w leader and we just sang this song on Sunday and people’s lives were changed during an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I think that if we deleted all the music that people have written just because of sin in their life, we wouldn’t have any music at all. I’m not diminishing the fact that what Mike G did was inherently wrong and there should be consequences for it, but I believe the song is anointed by the Holy Spirit and inspired by faith. It still uses language that praises God for His power and reiterates what we believe- that He is all we need. No matter what humans do, HE is all we need. Mike should still receive credit for his work, just like in the secular music world, and most likely if he copyrighted it, they will not be able to delete his name or keep revenue from him (if their arrangement included compensation for sales of the product). Also, Mike may have allowed them to remove his name, we don’t know.

    The church is and always will be flawed because it is run by humans. The thing we have to remember is that God is not flawed and neither are His plans. He can use the vilest sinner to set free someone else from sin. The Bible says he uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. I think this situation qualifies for that.

    Leah O.
    Believer’s Fellowship A/G
    Conyers, GA

    Leah

    August 27, 2008 at 2:08 am

  35. Also, to Jason:

    “The bigger thing here is the pattern seen in the pentecostal/charismatic churches. EVERY SINGLE scam that has ever been revealed of church leaders has been in this movement. Now I know that there are flaws with every denomination, but at the level of pastors and leaders being caught in such extensive sins, it must be making people wonder. WHY is there such a lack of conviction of the horror of sin in these churches?”

    Your statement is without founding.

    – Catholic priests facinf molestation charges
    – Baptist evangelist in Alabama that killed his wife and kept her in a freezer for 3 yrs.
    – Methodist Youth Pastor who had an affair with a student in Conyers, GA
    – Pastor of Second Presbyterian in Bloomington who was charged with aggravated battery against his wife, whom he was separated from
    – Anti-gay OK Southern Baptist Preacher arrested for soliciting gay sex

    There are plenty of people who fail morally and it’s not confined to one denomination. I think the problem is that there is a lack of conviction of the horror of these sins from ALL people…

    Leah

    August 27, 2008 at 4:55 am

  36. Well… This notice shocked me once I read it. This is my point of view: As humans we have a bad thing… when some one does a good thing, no one says nothing about it, but when after doing a lot of good things we find out that he/she did a wrong thing we do a big scandal. I know what he did is wrong and disappointed a lot of us but who are we to stop praying? I mean, his illness if fake but, what about his soul illness? As the body of Christ we have the obligation to pray for him. About HEALER… I still love that song… It’s not saying nothing but the truth; He is our Healer… we don’t need nothing else but Jesus in our lives: we live because He lives, we’re healed because He is in us and His power. Please keep praying for him. I know the feeling when all that you see is one else’s back when you need support and it’s not good at all. That’s why we belong to the body of Christ so we can support each other. May God bless Mike and his family… may God bless us all.

    Dave

    August 27, 2008 at 4:18 pm

  37. I’ve been a Youth worship leader for 8 years now, and almost all of the material I use to lead worship is solely from Planetshakers and Hillsong. In our ministry we have recently felt the need to write our own songs to God, and we all know that whatever material we come up with is His material, divinely inspired by Him with no credit due to any of our names.

    So, the answer to all of this is simple. The songs we humans write or compose should be entirely credited to God. I think it is time Hillsong and Planetshakers and perhaps other Church organisations need make this a reality on the music material/production information. With Planetshakers, if people are interested in the person whom God used to reveal a specific song then they simply need to contact Planetshakers and ask!

    I attended Youth Alive in Melbourne last Saturday night. A young women leading worship near the end of the night made a big statement about her detest for the celebrity that is PERHAPS infiltrating our Churches (particularly on any Church stage)….we live in a celebrity world and this is honestly one of the biggest challenges that needs to be admitted to, discussed and have various strategies put in place for avoiding its impact on the body of believers. I think this incident with Mike Guglielmucci should bring to light the issues with the “human leading of worship” and perhaps FORCE leaders in all Churches, but particularly the ever present and seen mega Churches like Planetshakers and Hillsong, to trial entirely different approaches to leading, displaying and recording worship and the songs therein that ONLY honor and magnify GOD ALONE!!!

    May we become less and you become more God!

    Jason

    August 27, 2008 at 6:37 pm

  38. My question to Planet Shakers is this: Is Mike now disqualified? His sickness (now we see, a mental health issue coupled with addiction) is now public. But it was ALWAYS present. The problem was that WE didn’t know. WE were in the dark. (God knew tho…let’s not forget that) We thought he was anointed. We were touched by his ministry. You can’t deny the anointing on that song, or even on the video of the Hillsong’s recording. For me, His song still carries the anointing that it always did. For me, nothing has changed…..except that Mike is broken just like me. Maybe a bit more publicly, embarrassingly, and with perhaps more of a deeply rooted stronghold. But the effects of his ministry are still lovely to me. Healing even. Besides, God has always chosen broken screwed up people. David was an adulterer and a murder…and not only was he still anointed KING…Jesus CHOSE to come from his very line! Brokeness and sin doesn’t seem to freak God out. Why do we react so outrageously then?

    It bothers me that his name is GONE from the website. Because, what it ‘appears’ to us outsiders…is that they are disqualifying every good, lovely and anointed thing he’s ever done.

    To do this, says to EVERY young man (or woman) who is suffereing with a sin-addiction:

    “If you are in sin…for pete’s sake…keep it SECRET!!” Because if you sin in secret, you are safe. Loved. Respected. Even have people proud to know you. But if your sin is exposed, you are someone we are ashamed to know. You not only lose your friends, but everything good you’ve ever done. Wiped out of exsistance. Embarrassed, and covered away. Not even a note, a word, photo or song credit.

    In the moment God inspired HEALER, God knew this outcome. And He still CHOSE to pour Himself onto Mike and that song. That should tell us something: God isn’t afraid to associate himself with brokenness.

    Either should we be.

    Yvonne Parks

    August 31, 2008 at 7:39 am

  39. The only right thing for all of them to do would be to perform seppuku. Scumbags.

    Josef Gonzales

    September 1, 2008 at 7:58 am

  40. […] Planetshakers Insider has a thought-provoking post that I don’t think many people have considered: “Who gets the credit for the music that this fraud wrote?” Planetshakers has removed references to Michael Guglielmucci, crediting his role on these albums, from their web-site [sic]. […]

  41. The actions of planetshakers remind me of an old saying which still seems to ring true in some ways ‘ Christians- the only army in the world that shoots its own wounded’
    Shame ay. He is a tallented muso and should be seen as such, he worked hard to create songs and should be credited with that. If he, as a sinner who has had his sin exposed recieves this treatment, what should the rest of us recieve when we endevour at things we are good at irrespective of who their for. In Gods eyes ALL sin is created equal. Its us humans that seem all to eager to put it on a ratings system. I hope and pray he recovers and those who have been hurt can move forward, grow and forgive.

    Mark

    September 1, 2008 at 10:35 pm

  42. Planetshakers Insider, this post was so nice… you’re quoted.

    http://hiscrivener.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/cancer-blunder-from-down-under-the-sound-of-music/

    Peace, everyone.

    HiScrivener

    hiscrivener

    September 1, 2008 at 10:35 pm

  43. All I keep thinking is, that God felt it important enough to keep the Psalms in the “Word or God” and still give David credit even after he committed adultery and murder!!! Maybe we should follow his example of forgiveness!! I also believe Gods anointing on these songs are still as powerful as before and an even more evident example, of a person desperate for the healing and restoration of an almighty and sovereign God. “Where sin abounds, Grace doth much more abounds”.

    Joni

    September 4, 2008 at 1:21 am

  44. come on guys give the guy a break i mean i look on google search’s amd it says things like “discrace” it’s just sin and i dont understand why it had to be all oer the news about it the thing every one should be greatful about that he isnt a rapeist beacuse thats worser then a bloody porno adiction

    Jason

    September 15, 2008 at 1:21 am

  45. @HiScrivener – Thanks for the link 🙂

    @Joni – I agree that Mike can be forgiven and redeemed – but why are the churches going to such lengths to cover everything up?

    @Jason – It would horrible if Mike Guglielmucci were a rapist. However, the bible says:

    “Jesus told his disciples, ‘Situations that cause people to lose their faith are certain to arise. But how horrible it will be for the person who causes someone to lose his faith! It would be best for that person to be thrown into the sea with a large stone hung around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to lose his faith. So watch yourselves! If a believer sins, correct him. If he changes the way he thinks and acts, forgive him. Even if he wrongs you seven times in one day and comes back to you seven times and says that he is sorry, forgive him.’ ” (Luke 17:1-4 – God’s Word translation)

    The horrible thing in all of this is that Mike’s cancer fraud was the basis for many decisions for Christ – he was held up as an example of how we should all have faith in times of hardship, even when we’re told we’re going to die.

    And people have lost faith and become disillusioned as a result – and some of these people will never return to a relationship with God, will go to hell and burn for all eternity.

    This is why God calls leaders to be blameless.

    This is why the lie was newsworthy.

    Planetshakers Insider

    September 15, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  46. Isn’t God our Healer? Isn’t He more than enough for us? Isn’t Jesus ALL we need? Mike was singing the truth, obviously he is a sinner, you are a sinner, I’m a sinner. We all needed God’s grace… so, if a pastor says a white lie, does he have to be removed from the “church” credits?
    Mike needs God more than never before, he came up and said that this lie was enough, right? We can’t judge, we can’t be God and see his heart true condition. Be careful when you point finger, let’s help and help to be restored instead of beat the fallen.

    jp

    September 20, 2008 at 5:12 am

  47. MIKE, I AM WITH YOU.
    I’m praying for you!
    i love you, brother!

    Calebe – Brazil.

    Calebe.

    November 20, 2008 at 6:22 am

  48. love u mike/…
    but those who have last faith because of this you must know this… your faith was in the wrong place

    george

    December 4, 2008 at 11:50 pm

  49. “but those who have last faith because of this you must know this… your faith was in the wrong place”

    I’m assuming you meant “lost faith”, not “last faith”.

    Yeah right.

    You can blame people for not having faith in the right place all you want. You’re just one more Christian who is failing to take responsibility for actions, and acknowledging that how we Christians act to our brothers and sisters WILL affect their faith.

    Christians like you say that you need to be in a church community, because faith isn’t something you can cement alone. BUT, the moment someone says that they’ve lost faith because of how fellow Christians acted, you immediately shun responsibility and place the blame on the individual.

    I smell double standards from miles away.

    I know. I used to be involved in Church leadership. Sometimes it’s just the fault of the community, and people profession to be Christians who fail to acknowledge that how they carry themselves might and will turn others away from Christ.

    Atlasya

    December 5, 2008 at 1:42 am

  50. Typo – “people profession” is supposed to be “people professing”

    Sorry about that.

    And PSI, I completely get where you’re coming from. I’m in a similar situation right now. Just that I’ve gotten too much hypocrisy, apathy and bullshit from so-called Christians to be as at peace as you seem to be.

    God bless you, and hopefully guide both you and me to where we need to be. Not where “church culture” dictates where we should be.

    Atlasya

    December 5, 2008 at 1:45 am

  51. “Just that I’ve gotten too much hypocrisy, apathy and bullshit from so-called Christians to be as at peace as you seem to be.”

    what’s that hitting on in you?

    jo

    April 28, 2009 at 1:33 am

  52. I really love the song “Healer” and still do to this day, even after all of this has happened. I believe that God inspired him to write this song, so that he would actually be healed from this, and for anyone else who was hurt by this mess.

    Just because Mike wrote this in the midst of deception, does take away the anointing that song has! It represents the truth and God’s Word will not return void whether it was spoken in the midst of this tragedy or not.

    God on the day of judgement will weed out all of the bad, but in the meantime, we must continue to worship God in spirit and in truth and if the Lord Almighty chooses to use this song “Healer” as a way of helping us know the truth, then let it be.

    Leaving Michael’s name in the song is not a bad thing and just reminds us of God’s grace and love towards us. So when you hear this song and the name of Michael Guglielmucci, you will remember that God forgives and restores.

    God Bless you all,

    Don

    Don

    May 20, 2009 at 5:57 am

  53. PSI, there are a lot of hypocrites out there, but please remember to look at Christ and not us. We’re not perfect, but He is and so are His teachings. All of us fail and fall short of the Glory of God, but thats why Jesus said to seek Him first, not me or Michael or anyone else. Do this and you will be just fine.

    Don

    May 20, 2009 at 6:00 am

  54. @Lionfish: I saw behind the PS scenes back then and there was a strong emphasis on marketing and sales.

    thnkfryrslf

    January 24, 2011 at 11:44 pm

  55. […] has removed references to Guglielmucci from their website that credit his role on several albums. Hillsong has filed copyright […]


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