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Is it Kowtowing? Is it Submitting to Authority? Is it Necessary? Is it Good?

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“Amanda” has responded to JC with a very interesting comment that I thought warranted a closer look:

From JC:

“If any of you really cares deeply for the church and not just opinion givers, serve the church and if God promotes you to the leadership team because you cares so much for the church then your opinion will be heard more effectively. because now youve earned your right to speak into the life of the church(not that regular members doesnt have the right, but a person involved in ministry will have more of an impact because your concern for the church is proven in your service for church)”

I’m not sure if I’ve ever met someone who hasn’t kowtowed to leadership who has been promoted to the team (or who would necessarily want to).

I know of a Church where the pastor says he doesn’t take too seriously criticism from most of the members, but he has a board of elders to whom he’s accountable- he takes their criticism very seriously.

What do you all think of that model?

What DO you think of that model?

Is it kowtowing? Is it submitting to authority?

Do you have to be a “Yes” man in order to move into a position of leadership in the church?

Is the best way to influence the church to influence the board?

Written by Planetshakers Insider

August 26, 2008 at 11:43 pm

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  1. Check out this website. Really good one.
    http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-1-john-4-1-6.htm

    “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.” (1 Jno. 4:1-6, NKJV).

    elle

    August 27, 2008 at 1:54 am

  2. There is no perfect church

    There is no foolproof system.

    We need to be constantly questioning, constantly changing and refining the way we “do” church

    We need to have a living, walking moving faith and focus on that no on the leadership.

    Leaders are there to guide, but ultimately we run our own race.

    we need to be empowered not “lead” astray.

    IB

    August 27, 2008 at 3:38 pm

  3. Hey,
    I just saw this post, thanks for putting my question up :).
    I don’t think the pastor I mentioned, who is accountable only to his elders really, has necessarily a bad idea so long as the system works well. Are the elders as the Bible describes they should be (which means men of integrity, not just people who kowtow)? Are they going to judge the pastor according to the Bible, not something man-made?
    There’s a proverb that says the insult of a friend is better than the flattery of an enemy. If the board have built a relationship of love with the leader, but are still able to tell him what he needs to hear, not just what he wants to, I think the system could work well.
    That being said it’d be nice if there was a sort of church ombudsman of sorts- someone to listen to the complaints of the people and if necessary present them to some level of leadership for processing.

    Amanda

    September 27, 2008 at 8:13 pm


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