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The Blessings of Prominent Pastors, Todd Bentley, and Mike Guglielmucci

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I saw this image today on the blog of prominent Hillsong/Pentecostal critic,Tanya Levin:

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The picture of Mike Guglielmucci being prayed for by the AOG Executive reminded me of the prominent pastors who blessed Todd Bentley, just prior to his incredible fall from grace after the Lakeland Outpouring, as a result of adultery issues (which were known among his senior leadership):

I’m not going to comment on this beyond saying that one reminded me of the other, and it’s amazing how two men who had the blessings of so many prominent pastors, fell at roughly the same time.

I’m reminded of Dutch Sheet’s comments, following the Florida Outpouring:

We, the leaders of the charismatic community, have operated in an extremely low level of discernment. Frankly, we often don’t even try to discern. We assume a person’s credibility based on gifts, charisma, the size of their ministry or church, whether they can prophesy or work a miracle, etc. (Miracles and signs are intended to validate God and His message, not the messenger; sometimes they validate the assignment of an individual, but never the person’s character, lifestyle or spiritual maturity.)

Just for the record… I disagree with most things that Tanya Levin says on her blog, believe she’s wrong and defamatory in her views that liken AOG leaders to the mafia (although her testimony of Hillsong does include stories of abuses of power and thuggery of Hillsong leaders, which is the likely reason). However, that’s beside the point…

By the way – who are the pastors interceding for Mike Guglielmucci? It looks like – Brian Houston, Alun Davies (or possibly Wayne Alcorn), Ashley Evans (Russell Evans’ brother and son of Andrew Evans), Steve Penny, and (judging by the bald head, which is our only clue) Ian Woods.

Edit: It’s obvious that in the Mike Guglielmucci photo that they’re praying for healing from cancer – but this isn’t a crippled man (Acts 3:1-10) laying at the gates of the temple – this on the stage, at the Assemblies of God in Australia National Conference, and a certain level of endorsement comes with this type of display.

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  1. too many evangelcial pastors are religious hypocrites

    thenonconformer

    August 29, 2008 at 2:24 am

  2. After much thought and consideration on the issue at hand, I sat back and realized that maybe Mike Guglielmucci wasnt praying for his healing of cancer like he asked but rather than his isses with his pornography addictions. Here is a man who is in a very powerful leadership role, leading others, mentoring others, praying for others, and just listening to others. Satan must have been doing battle with him daily and we all know that Satan can be a very powerful opponent. I wonder how many times, that Mike Guggliemucci wondered who would understand his problems. Satan problem invaded his mind, heart, and soul, telling him that know one would care or even understand how a man like this could fall to such terrible addiction. Sometimes when we are backed into corners we lie, steal, destroy and even hurt others not realy meaning to. I don’t think Mike intentionally did this. I think that Satan was such a powerful force and Mike made up a lie and his lie went to far. That is exactly what Satan wanted to happen. Satan wants everyone to look bad upon Mike. Instead, we as Christians need to embrace Mike, love Mike, PRAY for Mike’s TRUE HEALING and help Mike and his family to come back from this mighty attack. We all have been in a similar situation as Mike. We need to pray for warrior angels to surround everyone who is close to Mike or has some connection with Planetshakers or Hillsong. He is still true and he will see everyone through this time of grief. Let us all remember that God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever. One day, Mike can stand a say for certain that He is healed and that God truly is his HEALER and God is all he needs. We are human and God forgives us know matter what.

    For those Christians out there who are trying to oust Mike and criticize him remember:

    Matthew 7: 1-6

    Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    Brad

    August 29, 2008 at 5:14 am

  3. One difference between Mike and Todd Bentley is that one repented publicly and the other hasn’t. One is a man who got caught up in his lies and finally I believe through the conviction and power of the Holy Spirit confessed his sin, the other was caught in his sin and still to this day has not said these words — IM SORRY. Nor has Todd Bentley given back any money that he has swindled out of hundreds of sincere God seeking Christians. Where as Mike has humbled himself and is in the process of giving back all that he owed. Its in the spirit of Zaccheus giving back to all from whom he stole as a tax collector.

    I tell you the truth, I am truly blessed by what has happened at Planeshakers and Mike Gugielmucci. It really shows the power and grace of our God and how He alone can save. I know that much good will come out of this. May God bless your congregation and make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you and may He give you peace that surpasses all understanding. I do pray that the hearts of the people will have compassion, grace and love to Mike. Yes, he did a horrible thing, but again in the eyes of the Lord havent we all?

    There are many christians addicted to pornography may this be a message to all who are addicted to porn — The Truth Shall Make You Free!

    God bless you guys

    donmelendez

    August 29, 2008 at 7:42 am

  4. the question is all these churches that Mike visited claim or have prophets.why didnt anybdy pick anything.i hv never had a prophecy in the western churhc picking somebdy for sin as in “GOD is saying turn awy from sin or etc”all i hear is “u r such a great man or woman of GOD.GOD has huge plans for u”get my drift.
    where i came from overseas,u dear fondle a girl and next sat meeting one of the prophets will pick u. interesting down here young people are sleeping with each other in the chrch b4 marriage,and yet we hv unsaved people who hv taken chastity vows.how interesting is that???

    me

    August 29, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  5. The deeper we trek into these issues the more complex they get, the harder it is to be black and white, i think everyone can see that these issues are bigger than just mike.

    When we hold someone up so high, whether that is a pastor, worship team, or anyone we have given them great responsibility to stay up there, and when and if the shit hits the fan and everything turns pear shaped they have a long way to fall!

    We divert our eyes to man and not God and we seem to forget that humans are failiable beings. We aren’t capable of perfection so we can never live up to the expectations people come to think we can.

    Why do we do this? I think that this comes down to the fact that God can seem distant and we can stuggle to grasp the whole concept of God, so we look to people that we perceive as “having something special” we look to pastors, pastoral carers, and other people who seem to have a bit of understanding about this God fellow. We begin to get a grasp on Jesus and who he can be in our lives- we have also grown to respect this person we have been looking up to, we can lose sight of their human nature and get caught up on the fact that they are “good Christians” and we come to think that they have their whole lives together. When the truth comes out, maybe through some huge scandal like in mikes case, or by simply “seeing another side” of this person we have come to see as the perfect christian we can get discouraged.

    This is a problem, and yet another one to which we can so easy fall.
    We need to aim to keep focused on God, aim for him to be the one you expect perfection from, and though we don’t always see it, feel it or understand it when can expect perfection and not be let down.

    IB

    August 29, 2008 at 1:31 pm

  6. what makes things complex is the simple unrepentance of one’s sins

    thenonconformer

    August 29, 2008 at 3:33 pm

  7. A few things I have been pondering on …

    Firstly, 1 Timothy contains instruction that would encourage elders (pastors) to be appointed who are not young men – promote not a novice. From what I have read although Timothy is referred to as a yound man, he was probably in his late twenties or early thirties … How old was Michael when he was appointed and annointed for minsitry?
    Whilst there may be a case for the appoinment of some young men such as Timothy the clear injunction for the church (and Senior Pastors who seem to have two votes on most eldership boards) is not to appoint too early, take time to observe character – not charisma! And of course the family name seems to open doors that are often closed to other “lesser lights”.

    Secondly, it seems to me that bad teaching plays a part in leading to this type of behaviour. After all having to acknowledge sin as a habitual problem in your life is considered amongst those who have it “all together” as a sign of weakness. The magic formula works for us (your peers in ministry), it should work for you. If it doesn’t then the problem is yours – you are not doing it right, not trying hard enough, or let’s maximise the guilt and shame by saying, you just don’t have enough faith brother! After all what place does weakness have in this type modern derivative of Christianity influenced heavily with a KINGDOM NOW Theology. That is, ALL of heaven is mine to enjoy NOW, in this life, right NOW – healing NOW, sinless perfection NOW, financial prosperity NOW, success in all I do NOW.

    Thirdly, we as Christians are called to forgive and distribute mercy as freely as we have received it. We are all sinners and can bring the name of Christ into disrepute through our actions. The tragedy in Michaels case is the tremendously damaging effects of such a public fall from grace – it magnifies the reproach to the name of Christ because of the media and internet.

    In closing, this is a timely reminder of the days in which we live where in the last days men will fall away because of iniquity. Therefore we should exhort each other to live a life that honours Christ and His holy Name, rather than the modern approach which exalts charismatic men and makes idols of them. Rather than the greatest shall be your servant we now have the servant shall become your master.

    Honour and Serve Your King, and keep your “lesser light” shining !!!!

    The Doctor

    August 29, 2008 at 3:57 pm

  8. Insiders knew that the Latter rain Canadian evangelist in Lakeland Florida Rev Todd Bentley had gone of the deep end a long time ago much time before it became public, as usual too.. but they could not hide it forever..

    >>Firstly, 1 Timothy contains instruction that would encourage elders (pastors) to be appointed who are not young men – promote not a novice. From what I have read although Timothy is referred to as a young man, he was probably in his late twenties or early thirties … How old was Michael when he was appointed and anointed for ministry?

    I have been contemplating about this only the last 4 decades now ever since my first encounter with a perverse pastor.. a perverse church, perverse office and engineering managers, and perverse politicians, bad cops.. and the AGE ITSELF IS NOT THE ISSUE..

    1 You know firstly Garbage in, means garbage out, if you hired a bad person for the job you will get bad results.. covering it up makes matters worse as next is often the case still too everywhere.

    2 Now even if few like it still all good bad bad people need to be supervised, managed, not left totally on their own, and that includes now pastors, cops, politicians, doctors, nurses, professionals, etc., for self regulation is merely another world for me for masturbation.. not effective management
    Furthermore exemplary punishing the bad guys next by firing them, starting with the top managers works best, as we see being done with Bell, BCE, Sympatico after their recent takeover now too.. Exemplary Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty persons serves everyone’s best deterrent, and Todd Bentley has been fired. But not before as too often typical covered up.. I practice what I preach, I do not hesitate to rig fully expose all the bad guys I encounter anywhere, even in churches, police stations, governments too, etc., http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/put-them-into-jail/

    No one is doing a friend a favour by lying, covering-up for him.. open rebuke is better than secret love for them too… those whom I loveI chasten and rebuke too.. but there are still too many ostriches in the churches.. one church next took 5 years to see the pastor’s unacceptable sins that I saw in the first month, before they did what I would have dome immediately too.. they fired him.

    thenonconformer

    August 29, 2008 at 9:16 pm

  9. Whenever there’s a big fall, there’s a big fall-out, but I was thinking about this whilst praying yesterday:
    No Christian guy would ever want to admit that he spends time looking at porn. There is so much guilt surrounding this one subject alone that it can be seen that someone in a position of prominence would really struggle to admit it, knowing the consequences of peoples’ reactions if it was discovered. This guy had been drawn into this young and was addicted to it. It was a narcotic to him and he needed regular fixes, therefore the need to hide his addiction would have been overridingly great, greater than your average guy would have to cope with.

    God knew that Mike Guglielmucci would struggle with this problem before the foundation of the world. God loved Mike before he got into this, He loved him while he was addicted to it and He loves him furiously still. With all that God would have wanted to do with Mike’s life, it’s obvious that Mike couldn’t stay in the life he had, and God loves him so much that He had to intervene BIG; enough for him to finally admit his addiction.
    Paul of Tarsus persecuted the church, believing he was doing God’s will, and God needed to intervene BIG to change things around. I don’t believe Mike decided one day to deceive people by making up a story to get money, or fame, or sympathy, or whatever. He was deep in the mire of addiction and still did not want to admit such a stigmatic thing as porn, especially given his position as a pastor. Since the addiction was causing physical symptoms, is it so surprising to imagine hearing the enemy of our souls suggest to Mike that he feign cancer in order to protect the real issue?

    Cue Psalm 40:2.

    God has not left Mike to lie in the bed of his own making, and nor should we. God’s Father heart is so interested in seeing restoration and healing in the life that He made in the first place. Of course what Mike got into affected the lives of many others, but he also affected them positively. ‘Healer’ cannot be now treated as trash because of Mike’s admission. God, in His grace and mercy, gave that to the church as a proclamation of truth, even in the knowledge of where Mike was at the time it was written and knowing that his son would fall big-time at a later date. Has God deserted or forsaken him? Of course not, rather He has lovingly caused his son to go through this incredibly painful time, and is still his Rock, Fortress and Refuge. Do the words of the song no longer mean what they did before? Does removing Mike’s involvement in the song mean he was never involved? Of course not.
    When Chuck Colson was involved in Watergate, and did time for it, he was slated world-wide I seem to remember. Yet God, who is rich in mercy, has subsequently given him a respected world-wide ministry.

    The thing is, there are those who are ready to distance themselves from Mike Guglielmucci now as if to protect their own sense of integrity – you know, ‘we can’t even refer to him any more because otherwise it looks to the rest of the world like we condoned what he did. By showing we’re apart from this it keeps our own position intact’. Some are now questioning that because Mike lived this lie then everything else he did / said must have been a lie. Everything?? Those of us who have accepted God’s gift of salvation ought to take a good look at ourselves before we jump on this rolling bandwagon. Are our own lives not hiding lies? Are there not things that, given we may not be in prominent positions, we would still not want people at large to discover? What has God got to deal with in us which could cause our own downfall? How unfortunately true it is that often ‘we want forgiveness for ourselves, and justice for others’.

    1 Corinthians 13:7 needs to be read in the Amplified version:
    Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances, and it endures everything [without weakening].

    If God, who is Love, acts like this, then we can be sure He is acting like it right now with Mike Guglielmucci. We who are lesser known to the outside world still need Him to act like this with us, and this is God’s directive for how we should be to others, no matter how big their fall or the effect of their impact with the ground. It’s so good to hear that there are those who are willing to stand by the guy they have known and loved for years, even with the shock of such a confession. That kind of response is what will make the world take notice, not the knee-jerk, world-acceptable, ‘I never knew you’.

    Granted, there are many and varied issues to be dealt with in the fall-out, but this is the time to stand on the message, not run as far away as possible with embarrassment.

    timh

    August 30, 2008 at 10:31 am

  10. Mike should try the SafeEyes Internet filter. Has helped me a lot with my struggle with pornography. Let’s face it, it’s a battle we all face, at least in a phase in life if not on daily basis.

    I think that there are forgiveness for Mike, definitely, but being forgiven is not the same as getting the trust back. At least one must really commend him for coming into the light about all this. Yes, the lie was a bad idea, a really bad idea, but correcting it and taking responsibility is actually a fabulous sign of strength.

    Anyway, I think it is not for people who has no real relation to Mike, Edge or Planetshakers to talk that whole lot about it. Let them work it out. I just don’t hope that the song “Healer” gets lost in all this, it is a great song. The events have sure been puzzling, but I will leave this to God and not bother. May God lead Mike. Indeed, the people standing together with Mike in light of the confession is a great sign of love and forgiveness. Somehow, all things will work together for good. (Rom 8:28)

    A swede

    August 31, 2008 at 2:01 pm


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