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Can You Imagine Singing a Hymn about Pornography?

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Nate Davis, Worship Pastor of Mosaic Church, has some insightful comments re: Mike Guglielmucci:

Satan has completely succeeded in the battle of pornography. He has everyone who struggles with it fooled to think they can’t tell anyone because of the repercussions. In the case of Mike G., fooled to the point that he would make up a lie like CANCER! to cover up the addiction!!!!! Think about it. If Mike Guglielmucci was interviewed saying, “yeah I really battle with porn and I came home one night, sat down, and wrote this song believing that God could heal me from this nightmare addiction” everyone would have cringed. I know porn is bad, I know it’s shameful, but Jesus is bigger than that crap and if you’ll be brave enough to fess up you’ll defeat the enemy and you’ll feel freedom like you never have!!! We need to start bringing this stuff into the light NOW Church so Satan won’t take down another one of our leaders with it.

Fantastic thoughts.

By the way – if you have a chance, have a listen to some of Erwin McMannus’s Mosaic Podcasts (sermons from Mosaic church). Many are also very insightful. [Edit: It turns out a different Mosaic church *doh* – thanks for the correction, Nate :)]

There was one particularly interesting sermon where he took questions from the congregation prior (from memory, about “faith” – perhaps someone can confirm?), and answered them. This podcast, and this type of inquisitive church culture was something that was playing on my mind before I began this blog.

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  1. hey this is nate!…thx for the shout out! I’m actually on staff at Mosaic Church Charlotte the confusion happens sometimes). We are loosely affiliated with Mosaic L.A. Our Pastor Naeem Fazal and Erwin are friends. Thx again for swinging by my blog!

    nate d.

    September 9, 2008 at 5:46 am

  2. Mark Driscoll is also worth a look. He sometimes answers audience questions sent by text message, including those on uncomfortable topics like sexual sin.

    joanna

    September 9, 2008 at 8:09 am

  3. @Nate – Thanks for the correction – I’ve edited the post above. Thanks for stopping by! 🙂

    @Joanna – Fantastic! Thanks for the recommendation.

    Planetshakers Insider

    September 9, 2008 at 7:12 pm

  4. @ “@Insider” – Happy to publish or respond to your comments – but as I said in https://planetshakersinsider.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/enough-is-enough/ – I’m not willing to put up with abusive commenters who do not contribute any value to discussion here.

    It’s because of the abuse (and email address used) that your comments keep being deleted.

    In response to your repeated question – I am not currently in a position of leadership inside Planetshakers – nor is it appropriate for me to be in a position of leadership right now because obviously I don’t feel I could act wholeheartedly in my role at present.

    I have completed the appropriate requirements for taking on a position of responsibility or leadership at Planetshakers, and have contributed to the church previously (although am not currently).

    Specifically how? It’s not really appropriate for me to single myself out like that if I’m writing under a pen-name. 😉

    Planetshakers Insider

    September 11, 2008 at 5:11 am

  5. Well I wouldnt say my comments are abusive by any means, just very direct.
    You say that I don’t contribute any value, yet do you truly believe that this blog contributes any value to the church? If so how?

    & trust me when I say this, when you said you have the “appropriate requirements” (talking about DNA), what makes you think knowing the churches call, culture and comission makes one fit for leadership? At most DNA allows for serving within the church not leading…

    @Insider

    September 11, 2008 at 6:01 pm

  6. “@Insider” – That’s a bit better 🙂

    Well I wouldnt say my comments are abusive by any means, just very direct.

    I’d be surprised if you would say those things to someone in-person.

    Just because we can hide behind the internet, it doesn’t stand that we should act towards people differently than we would in real life.

    You say that I don’t contribute any value, yet do you truly believe that this blog contributes any value to the church? If so how?

    I’m going to respond to your question about how this blog contributes to the church in a new post…

    It’s too long to put here.

    & trust me when I say this, when you said you have the “appropriate requirements” (talking about DNA), what makes you think knowing the churches call, culture and comission makes one fit for leadership? At most DNA allows for serving within the church not leading…

    I couldn’t agree more – the DNA course does train us for serving within the church – which is why it’s a requirement for leadership at Planetshakers.

    It’s through service that we lead.

    The Bible says that the last will be first, and the first will be last – that the greatest among us are the least.

    A shepherd serves his flock – but guides, directs and ensures its safety. Some might also call this leadership, but it’s certainly leadership in God’s definition.

    Servitude (serving others) is true leadership according to God’s definition.

    Planetshakers Insider

    September 15, 2008 at 2:55 am

  7. I can sympathize a lot with some of your blogs and have felt the same way and I do find a life away from church easy to a life in church. But I know this is because a life outside of church very rarely confronts us at the core of who we are and brings about situations where we must choose to confront the very things we want to run away from. Not only that but we don’t expect half as much from the world around us as what we do from church, yet it’s filled with the same people. And this is not to say that what have experienced is all in your head – it’s not. Church changes every so often, the structure, the format, the focus, cause unlike God we are human and sometimes we get it wrong and not only that but as the world proceeds and changes so the church must. How have you confronted the things that bother you?
    I sometimes think of it like we are all God’s kids and church is His way of getting us all to get along before He spends enternity with us. You only need to hang out with some todlers for an avro to see the similarities :o) I have been in and experienced enough churches and denominations to love a quote made by a great woman of God, she said “If you find the perfect church – don’t join it. You’ll ruin it with your humanity.” I would say to you to travel the road, not to get off the path, no matter the trials, dig into God, find yourself in Him and your world will change as you no longer look to the outer world around but your inner world with God. From that center you can operate from a solid foundation. And if you don’t like the church your in, go to another one, keep going till you find one you find your place in. But if you keep moving churches and the problem goes with – don’t short change yourself or your life – confront whatever it is and let God unravel it. Stay the path. Don’t confuse God with people or situations.
    Directness is not rude it is just that direct – we don’t get it much in ‘polite’ society cause let’s face it we really are not a world about confront each other, what we do or who we are. Or being responsibe for who we are or what we do. For me serving others is God’s love. Leadership goes beyond that it travels into responsibility for others. I hope you find peace whereever that may be but always stay open to being challenged by God, yourself and others.

    Kit

    December 5, 2008 at 10:36 pm

  8. I really appreciate this blog and I think the questions must be asked. Each of these situations the one with Mike and the one with Todd I believe were opportunities for leadership to teach and admonish. Jesus said there would be false prophets, He said there would be false signs and that if the time were not shortened even the very elect might fall away. Paul says there will be a great falling away and the Lord will release a strong delusion. I believe that the plan of God in this according to Romans 8:28 would be for the leaders to say we were had. We messed up and if we who believed ourseloves to be so discerning and so close to God’s heart could be fooled as Peter warns in 1 Peter 4 then we need to be better discerners and we need to admonish the body/church as well. As to the church I know the church is a mess and according to Revelation there is only one in seven that got it right. I really believe that we must be discerning and remember that Jesus Christ is returning for His bride which is the church. When we stay out we rob the body of important parts. As Paul writes who is the hand to say to the foot I have no need of you. When we stay away we are saying that the body doesn’t need us and we do not need the body thereby contradicting the word which is what we are fighting to preserve, keep writing and God bless you and all those with the courage to ask men for accountability and God for clear direction and understanding. Oh almost forgot didn’t Kirk Franklin had a pornography addiction that he confessed to in 2006 and got help and now talks of overcoming it. I believe that if there is repentance we must help the fallen to stand back up again.

    Doseghostman

    February 26, 2010 at 9:37 am

  9. http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/interviews/kirkfranklin_scottross_042004.aspx

    This an article that would be good to look into regarding getting right over a secret sin. It also addresses the issue of what happens to those promoted within the church because of gifting with no accountability.

    Doseghostman

    February 26, 2010 at 9:46 am


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