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Mike Guglielmucci Questions Answered

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“Moses” posted some questions about Mike Guglielmucci – some had been answered previously…

According to MikeG confession, he has been addicted to porn since the age of 12. How did he get access to it? Who introduced MikeG to it? Family members? School friends? Church Friends?

School friends – at their houses, after school apparently – according to Danny Guglielmucci (Mike’s father)

AOG prides itself being an Apostolic and Prophetic fellowship, How did MikeG’s Father Danny, Russell Evans, Brian Houston and AOG State and National Executive miss this? Are they really being led by the Spirit? God will not hide anything from His servants the prophets.

I have the same question…

Alun Davies (head of AOG in Australia) said to the media:

“We don’t know why or how this could happen… we are victims like anyone else”

Russell Evans said repeatedly:

“None of us knew – not even his [wife/family]” and distanced Ps Mike’s actions from Planetshakers, saying that he left Planetshakers 18 months ago (still, the cancer lie began 22 months ago… hrmm).

Where’s the accountability?

Usually these men move in prophetic utterance, What did go wrong?

What happened to the gift of discernment?

I don’t know – but I believe they need to be answerable/accountable to this too.

How come Amanda or Danny didn’t go with MikeG to the doctors with MikeG? If I was this sick my wife will not leave my side. Very strange relationship. May be to busy serving the people not God.

Apparently he was very private about his treatment.

One man who claimed to be the father of two men who were friends of Ps Mike Guglielmucci, and who had taken him to doctors, claimed that Ps Mike had gone into doctors surgeries, waited in the waiting room (with his friends outside) before coming back to the car.

According to Ps Danny Guglielmucci, nobody questioned Mike Guglielmucci’s diagnosis because he manifested physical symptoms.

Bible says Train up your child in the ways of the Lord, so that he or she will not depart from it when they are old. I personally believe somehow MikeG did not receive this training at home when he was young. His parents might have been too busy ministering to others not God and they fail to discern his problem.

Similarly, what happened in the 16 years after the porn addiction began?

Was there a pastoral care structure in place for Mike? Was he held accountable to a trusted mentor or elder? What accountability was he under as a leader? Did anybody ask him about his sins or addictions? How was he lifted up to leadership without this kind of accountability?

Understandably, there was so much shame around the pornography addiction that he felt he couldn’t confess – are we, as Christians, so caught up in how bad sexual sins are that we fail to provide people who suffer from these sins with a “safe place to run to”?

Surely the questions have to be asked: “Why wasn’t Mike Guglielmucci able to confess at any time during his 16 year addiction? Why was it easier for him to fake cancer and suffer alone than receive the support of others in the church? What should the church be doing differently / better to ensure that others don’t face similar problems in the future?”

When you minister to God not man God will reveal to His children any evil that is going to happen to them. Psalm 91. I am a Pastor I know what I am talking about.

We need to keep our house in order before we reach out other people.

Ministry is not empire building, it is kingdom (of God) building. It is ministry unto the Lord.

God Bless

To save you looking it up, Psalm 91 reads:

1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.

2 I will say of the LORD, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust.”

3 Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare
and from the deadly pestilence.

4 He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

5 You will not fear the terror of night,
nor the arrow that flies by day,

6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
nor the plague that destroys at midday.

7 A thousand may fall at your side,
ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you.

8 You will only observe with your eyes
and see the punishment of the wicked.

9 If you make the Most High your dwelling—
even the LORD, who is my refuge-

10 then no harm will befall you,
no disaster will come near your tent.

11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra;
you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

14 “Because he loves me,” says the LORD, “I will rescue him;
I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

15 He will call upon me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him
and show him my salvation.”

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  1. Thanks for answering my questions.

    I would like to make an important point regarding Alun Davis’ comment “We don’t know why or how this could happen… we are victims like anyone else.”

    Alun must be kidding. Alun was the man made a big song and dance about need of code of conduct for Pastors at last AOG national conference in Gold Coast. He and the executive of AOG introduced so many changes to constitution of the AOG without any debate at this conference. I personally believe some of the changes to AOG constitution compromises what they believe? In particular some of the changes were made to appease Italian and European brethern in AOG. i.e. Guglielmucci’s

    Even use of name ACC was not endorced by the conference. Alun Davis is not a victim like anyone else, he is a bully. He and the state and national executive of the AOG is not accountable to their conference how can they expect young Pastors to be accountable.

    Is ACC is a pentecostal church in a true sense of the word? I don’t think so….

    I wonder ACC (AOG) are they going to change their name again to hide from this sin?

    God bless

    Moses

    Moses

    September 15, 2008 at 11:43 pm

  2. Moses – what changes to the constitution do you believe create compromises?

    Planetshakers Insider

    September 16, 2008 at 2:16 am

  3. Consumption Alcohol – AOG always believed in abstenance, now you can drink moderatley.

    Divorce and re-marriage – there are certain instances believers allowed to divorce and re-marry. i.e. Abandonment. There is no clear directive in the scriptures.

    Code of conduct – Entire bible is code of conduct, not just certain instances. We fast becoming a bunch of people who wants to legislate everything rather than following God’s word wholeheartedly.

    So called Apostolic Leadership without accountability.

    There are Pastors who are struggling in AOG many areas of ministry no help forth coming for these men. They are affraid to speak out. AOG wants to plant churches everywhere but at the same time churches being closed down due to lack of support and help.

    There are guys within AOG they would rather Pastor 2 and 3 churches from different locations than building up leadership. e.g. Brian Houston, Danny Guglielmucci and many others. It is empire building not Kingdom building.

    Something is not right.

    Moses

    September 16, 2008 at 9:08 am

  4. Moses, i wasn’t aware of this conference so i don’t know the full story, but from what you are saying i am not sure that it is all compromising against biblical standards. The bible certainly condemns drunkenness but from my looking into what it says i don’t believe it condemns moderate drinking provided you are of legal age (because the bible teaches us to obey our governments) and are not causing temptation to someone who for whatever reason shouldn’t be drinking. As for divorce and remarriage there are some difficult situations that the bible doesn’t address (eg when a spouse is so abusive its impossible to stay) so its a good thing they are trying to work these things out. I have some good material here on the issue but i’m having trouble finding where exactly i got it online so if you send me an email (messiahfirechick @ yahoo.com.au) i’ll send it to you. A code of conduct is not necessarily a bad idea to set some boundaries on things the bible is not clear about.

    joanna

    September 16, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  5. The something that is not right ,may well be the fact that most pastors,do not even know what is the commandment of the Father to the disciples of Christ,and have not realised the purpose for a moral life is so that we are worthy of the miraculous life that we have been saved for. The cycle of sin and repentance will never cease, even amoungst preachers, because as Paul said,when I want to do good eveil was right there with me….the focus of morality for a christian life is only half the story..the more important half,is the miraculous..where anyone who has faith in Jesus can do what he has been doing..like changing water to good wine..where the practice of the words of Jesus goes beyond attending church,and preaching the gospel, bur practicing everything he has ever done,and what do you get when you practice anything? You will either fail or succeed, so the emphasis on big and successful is incorrect, and the perception that small is a failure is wrong. i have know so many pastors who have given up their lives ,and ended up with small churches who feel they have failed God, when all the Lord wanted them to do was to do what He had done first..Jesus only had a congregation of 12 men and a few women, even though he did speak often at conferences of 5000 and 4000.If you know any of these AOG pastors who are struggling, just tell them, the Father only ever commanded us to listen to Jesus.If theythemselves would do just that, and teach their congregation to do just that..they will have the complete resources of the Holy Spirit right where they are.I know, I was Aog, now i am nothing..no affliation, with a small flock that only listens to Jesus, follow Him, practice His word under the supervision of the Holy Spirit..are we sin free? No..but we are not practiceing sin, but righteuosness..so the first thing we practice is unceasing repentance..and does it work? How does the blind seeing, the lame walking, demons driven out..with medical varification sound. yes, some thing is wrong..but when we go back to listening to Jesus, and not men, not evenMoses, all will be made right and Jesus can return in the flesh, as He promised. DR Ed, a footstool of Jesus.

    dr.edmond kwan

    September 19, 2008 at 8:16 am

  6. “Consumption Alcohol – AOG always believed in abstenance, now you can drink moderatley.”

    That’s probably a good thing since Jesus drank moderately- so much so that people complained about Him always eating and drinking- and that his very first miracle was the creating the equivalent of thousands of standard drinks for a wedding party. Also since the NT urges people to drink a little wine for their tummy.

    From my understanding this implies very strongly that the consumption of ethanol (alcohol) in and of itself is not a sin.

    However the Bible defines drunkeness (and glutony for that matter) as a sin. Obviously there is a call to excercise wisdom here as to what does and does not consitute drunkeness. But I won’t drink at all if it causes somebody of weaker faith to stumble, or if I were ministrering to people who are strongly against alcohol (e.g. missionary to Muslims).

    Amanda

    September 20, 2008 at 5:35 pm

  7. Wise points, Amanda. I can’t fault you on any of them.

    Well done on a very well thought-out comment!

    Planetshakers Insider

    September 22, 2008 at 10:21 pm

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  9. I was curious about some of these things as well. I wrote a post about this story when I first heard (http://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/2008/08/28/pastor-confesses-to-16-year-porn-addiction/).

    I work for a ministry that specifically helps Christians who are looking for airtight accountability when it comes to their Internet use (to avoid porn online). Many, many pastors have used our software service that sends a detailed Internet use report to someone’s accountability partners.

    We’re hoping that more and more denominational leaders and pastors will see the need and value of accountability in their midst.

    Luke Gilkerson
    Internet Community Manager
    Covenant Eyes

    Luke

    September 24, 2008 at 5:32 am

  10. Hi Luke,

    Thanks for dropping by!

    I came across your site during this whole situation – although I know of several people who use the software.

    I think you’re doing fantastic things – real, practical solutions to a genuine problem – no condemnation, just true guidance and true accountability.

    Well done on your ministry – and thanks for taking the time to stop by this blog.

    To anyone who suffers from a pornography addiction (even if you’re not Planetshakers’ Mike Guglielmucci) at least check out Luke’s site.

    PSI

    Planetshakers Insider

    September 24, 2008 at 10:56 am

  11. I don’t believe the bible is unclear on Marriage Divorce and Remarriage. Clearly, there is to be no remarriage after divorce. We are to stay single, or be reconciled. What happened to praying for spouses so that God will intervene in their lives? If the AOG are to endorse remarriage, they are writing up their own rules. To their peril.

    Robyn

    October 4, 2008 at 10:49 pm

  12. But for the grace of God go I, while it is great to see people communicating re; michael guglelmucci, maybe this time spent praying for him maybe better???
    My husband suffers from Muscular Dystrophy, life is tough. We are leaders of music etc in our local assembly, the revelations of Michael – make people who are actually ‘sick’ uncomfortable. The fallout from his lies etc, will make it hard for people who actually do suffer severe illness, While i understand he had a severe pornography addiction, his lies will unfortunately have a major affect on the ACC/AOG standing, even in smaller communities. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth that someone can stand on stage and speak such lies, while people who are really suffering debilitating illness’s struggle on, not generally sharing their troubles because there is now questions in everyones minds – are they faking this??? Food for thought

    chicky

    October 31, 2008 at 11:17 pm


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