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Musings on Life, the Christian Journey and being a part of Planetshakers City Church

Planetshakers Beautiful Woman Video Removed

with 18 comments

After it was embedded in a recent post here, Planetshakers has disabled embedding for the Planetshakers Beautiful Woman 2009 trailer video.

This means I can no longer show this video on my blog – and ONLY this video is disabled (no other Planetshakers videos were disabled) – and it was ONLY after the video was shown here.

An alternative link to the video can be found here.

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  1. Sounds like Big Brother to me 🙂

    Savi

    October 3, 2008 at 11:57 am

  2. Well at least if they’ve taken it down because of this site hopefully they noticed what was being said in the process

    joanna

    October 3, 2008 at 4:03 pm

  3. I guess if you can remove & edit your site then they can edit there’s. mmm i wonder if you’ll remove this comment psi?

    Matt

    October 6, 2008 at 10:49 pm

  4. Nope, not my style to edit or remove stuff.

    I have edited my own posts previously, but only to append or correct information, and those edits are prominent (never hidden).

    Check out https://planetshakersinsider.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/can-you-imagine-singing-a-hymn-about-pornography/ for an example (See the emphasized “Edit” remarks in square brackets).

    I’ve also unapproved or deleted comments that are slanderous, abusive or spam – there have been several people who have criticized others without being slanderous or abusive, and all have their comments approved.

    Some who didn’t have their comments approved were emailed in private regarding their comments (in cases where they left a legitimate email address) and invited to return without being slanderous or abusive. Some have come back.

    Anyone’s welcome to post freely (including your good self) – so long as a level of order is kept 😉 (as above).

    But in particular, I welcome people who offer thoughtful and insightful commentary (irrelevant of whether they agree or disagree with any issue raised here).

    PSI

    Planetshakers Insider

    October 6, 2008 at 11:28 pm

  5. Don’t you just love Planetshakers! They’re quick to tell people who don’t agree with them to leave and go to other churches from their own pulpit but when the people exercise their democratic right to free speech over the internet they can’t take it!

    I can’t speak for anyone else but myself but reading Planetshakers Insider and reflecting on my own time when I was there a few things are becoming more and more clear.

    Planetshakers is not a ministry that is surrendered to the Lord. Ministries that are surrendered to the Lord are open to correction because they are able to discern between what is the truth and what is false. The senior leadership of Planetshakers are not teachable.

    Planetshakers by its actions demonstrates its desire to serve man and not God. This goes beyond the usual complaints about loud music, worldly like marketing strategies and the like. God’s heart is for the lost. When was the last time you heard of Planetshakers serving meals to the poor, helping the homeless to find housing, showing compassion to the elderly, the disabled and the sick? Can’t anyone honestly search their hearts and answer yes to this question? I cannot and speak from four years of experience of Planetshakers. What I can say yes to though is Planetshakers deliberately chasing business people as a source of financing for its activities. I can say yes to Planetshakers trying to turn their women’s ministry into a fashion club. I can say yes to Planetshakers acting like a corporation in the way it totally dismisses associations with former “employees”, when their former employees attract negative media coverage.

    theoriginalmattyc

    October 7, 2008 at 9:34 am

  6. Hey Matty –

    Just in qualification to this statement of yours:

    “When was the last time you heard of Planetshakers serving meals to the poor, helping the homeless to find housing, showing compassion to the elderly, the disabled and the sick?”

    In defense of Planetshakers, I do vaguely recall them organising a day where people went and scrubbed graffiti off the walls of government housing. Also, the youth ministry seems to have some sort of program where they seem do this kind of stuff:

    http://www.planetboom.org/dounto.php

    (I couldn’t find anything specific about what this program actually does, but the sentiment is there)

    Obviously there is huge room for more to be done (and I mean HUGE), but I just wanted to point out that they are not completely inactive 🙂

    Grace

    October 7, 2008 at 12:49 pm

  7. Grace,

    Thank you for your qualification. I’ve just taken a look at the Planetboom website and I can’t find anything about scrubbing the walls of public housing estates, that’s not to say it never happened.

    Ultimately what I’m referring to comes down to heart attitudes and what kind of servants we are to the Lord. Its up to us individual believers to be Jesus wherever we are to whoever is around us. But those in leadership also need to do this themselves and set th e example in their church by making this a key priority, just like Jesus did in HIS ministry. Its this lack of example setting that’s quite evidently hurting Planetshakers and the reputation of Christ in the process.

    theoriginalmattyc

    October 7, 2008 at 7:49 pm

  8. What about all the people who have been changed, discipled, built up, encouraged, challenged, imparted, etc through Urban Lifes, DNA, Inner Champion, Kingdom Purpose, Discipleships, Kids outreaches, Prayer Meetings, New Christians classes.. I could go on! Jesus also trained His close disciples. Sure we need to look after the Homeless & feed the poor but the church needs to look after all aspects of our community.

    I found some pictures of their Collingwood cleanup on their cell group web page:
    http://www.planetshakers.com/ministries/urban.php

    Matt

    October 7, 2008 at 9:49 pm

  9. Nice find Matt – thanks for posting the pics.

    Yes, Planetshakers aren’t all bad – but are a bit misguided in some areas.

    And while I’d agree that they have worked to build up some within Planetshakers (in the ways Matt described) the area that Planetshakers lets itself down in the most is in Pastoral Care – particularly for the struggling, the weak, and the needy.

    Instead, the focus is on the people who can lead – DNA, Inner Champion, Kingdom Purpose and Internships are focussed at the people who already do well.

    Meanwhile, the church continues to attract hundreds and thousands of new, broken, hurt Christians without providing the framework for them to receive pastoral care – placing them into small groups with leaders who are not trained, equipped, skilled or focussed on pastoral care, and they get left behind.

    Planetshakers’ still gets 4,000 people attend each Sunday – but it’s losing a large portion of the people it attracts because they slip through the cracks.

    The focus seems to be in strengthening the strong, uplifting the lifted, building faith in the faithful, and calling them to lead – rather than healing the wounded, curing the sick, helping the poor (in a spiritual sense as much as a non-spiritual sense).

    It’s important to look at growing the church – but when the quantity of faithful outweigh the general quality of faith, I wonder what cancers this will cause in the future.

    Planetshakers Insider

    October 7, 2008 at 10:55 pm

  10. I had a look at the pics and they were really encouraging. Even though Planetshakers has all these problems there are individuals who collectively are doing great things.

    Like Planetshakers Insider said, the biggest issue in Planetshakers at the moment would have to be the Pastoral Care or the apparent lack of it.

    Its clear to me just from my interactions in Urban Life groups that the leaders don’t have any meaningful training in pastoral care.

    Change in this area needs to happen on two levels. The first level needs to be a change in people’s hearts. If a leader doesn’t have a heart for people a leader doesn’t have a heart for people full stop. Only God can change that. The second change needs to come from the top down and in my opinion that’s probably the harder of the two.

    In an ideal world every Urban Life leader would have a qualification in counselling in some form that would enable them to take a proactive approach in looking after the people that Planetshakers puts under them. Clearly this isn’t realistic.

    I’m currently doing a two year diploma in counselling and if overnight all new Urban Life leaders had to do the course that I’m doing, it would lead to a two year freeze in new leaders being appointed and a huge cost burden either to the church or the individual leaders themselves.

    The best and most realistic solution to the problem would be to look at the churches who are most succcessful in pastoral care, demonstrated by the highest retention rates of new believers and employing the strategies that they’ve found to work. That’s not easy for a church the size of Planetshakers but it looks like its the only way to go.

    theoriginalmattyc

    October 9, 2008 at 7:01 am

  11. I agree that the easiest way to solve the problem of lack of pastoral counseling would be to appoint counselors in the church itself.

    And there’s no real reason why it doesn’t happen – just that the focus of funds is on AV equipment and growing the church ahead of looking after existing Christians within the church.

    But even so, Urban Life Group leaders would need to step up to solve the current problems.

    Who else will follow people up? Who else will hold people accountable?

    The problem seems to be that currently, the Urban Life Group leaders I’ve met are too busy to, don’t want to, aren’t trained to, etc..

    Urban Life is just what they do on one Wednesday night each fortnight (or whatever night it is). It’s not what they do the other 13 days of the week.

    Planetshakers Insider

    October 9, 2008 at 10:28 am

  12. Just re-read something in my post…

    For the sake of clarification, there are some fantastic people who are Urban Life Group leaders – really nice guys and girls who put a lot of effort into their Wednesday Urban Life Group meetings.

    My comment wasn’t to criticize them personally – just to highlight the major failing of ULGs.

    Planetshakers Insider

    October 9, 2008 at 10:30 am

  13. Maybe u didn’t know PSI, but a year or so back Planetshakers leaders shared their vision to start the empowerment centre,which will one day be similar to the LA dreamcentre.the meeting for this,so many people turned up in support that they just couldn’t fit in the room.its starting small,but you should really contact their office’s to find out everthing they do.PS currently put on dinners for homeless people, deliver food hampers, provide support to refugees,provide christmas present to children who would have gone without or whose parents are in prison and visit people in nursing home’s just to name a few.
    And yes they removed graffiti from the collingwood flats,you would hve seen Ps Russel as well as the girls from the BW promo clip down there cleaning too.
    The kids department do some absolutely incredible things with disadvantages children and supporting their families, particularly in the western suburbs. they also run holiday camps for children whose parents are in jail.
    The youth department does equally as much in the community-the list is endless.
    Planetshakers doesn’t hve this plastered all over their website,but they are most definately out there serving the community of Melbourne and they have a huge vision for this area so we can only expect to hear more of these great things

    essie

    October 9, 2008 at 10:51 pm

  14. Thanks Essie for sharing.

    I’m not involved with the youth department, or the empowerment centre – mainly urban life groups and adult areas of the church. So thank-you for letting us know.

    I was aware of the Christmas gifts – but not the other areas – which is sad because I attend Planetshakers, (as do a many of the “regulars” here) and it would be good to know these things.

    The Planetshakers Office has been able to confirm a lot of things to me over the past 6 weeks that I’ve been running this blog (particularly in the areas of accountability, pastoral care, and church promotions) – but sadly I have been asked not to share them here as they could potentially be damaging. 😦
    This makes confirming minor details problematic.

    PSI

    P.S. – I recognized you from your email address, Essie. I know that you do a lot of work in the community (both here and overseas).
    Thanks for dropping by!

    Planetshakers Insider

    October 9, 2008 at 11:46 pm

  15. You raise some great points Mattyc, esp being in the field of study you are in.
    It would be apparent to you and others with a counselling back ground, just how much is lacking and the importance of having some specific training in this area.
    From group facilitation to active listening/questioning and communication, these processes are being practised but by the untrained…which is not only ineffective but it becomes very time consuming as guidance and supports are being misplaced. What should take a 15 min conversation ends up being a 4week process, with most of that process being done alone and absent of support.
    If a balance can be found between counselling, Christian theology guidance and pastoral care then peoples progress would be in leaps and bounds.

    As you would understand mattyc, the people in our church who have come from unconventional and marginalised backgrounds require a different kind of support other than sunday church and urban life scripture reading/games.
    That is certainly an important part of it, but more quality support is required, esp that PS have a heart for the disadvantaged in our city….for that reason alone, improvement needs to become a high priority, with everything being done above board, ie confidentiality respected by skilled, qualified facilitators etc.

    I know of incredibly gifted leaders in this area, who either have the training or a combination of gifting and training; but there is no co-ordination of those who have the gifting/skill and those in need; it is by Gods grace if you find them in Church, and not by other leaders being able to see the need in someone and introduce them to the most appropriate leader.
    Even if its not practical for that person to attend that specific leaders urb, at least there is a contact.

    Unfortunately or fortunately there is no middle ground when it comes to counselling, you either do it right, or you don’t do it at all.
    I feel that if PS wants to get deeper into serving and ministry with marginalised pple, then they need to step up and do it all by industry standards, this would not only support their plan, but gain confidence, and support from the wider field and enable many more pple to find access to PS Church.

    It is incredible how many pple are in need, have faith and carry their little Bible to and from services and treatment centres, and are out of reach from our church.

    I just hope our ’empowerment centre’ doesn’t go along the same path of ‘mercy ministries’ and ‘teen challenge’ which are effective only for a minority, and are likened to scientology’s ‘Narconon’ within the secular field.

    Mice

    October 12, 2008 at 8:26 pm

  16. Mice,

    Thank you for your thoughtful reply to my post and my apologies for taking so long to read it.

    Both as a counsellor in training and as a follower of Christ I agree with everything you’ve said.

    Counselling in the christian hemisphere does need to be up to industry standards and I highlight like you have Mercy Ministries as an example of what can go wrong when a great intention isn’t backed up with the appropriately qualified staff to carry it out.

    As it stands at the moment Christian Counselling is recognised by ACA; the peak body of counsellors but its practitioners lack the overall exposures to different techniques of counselling to make the most effective impact on the community. So deficient is their training that the ACA will only allow its christian counselling members to practice on people within their own religious order unless they obtain a qualification such as a diploma from another institution that complies with its full membership requirements.

    All said and done though alot of changes need to be made to make Planetshakers and the entire Pentecostal body of Christ as a whole in order to become much more effective in this area.

    For one the new generation of leaders must have more in depth counselling training than one or two units the bible colleges include in their Bachelor of Ministry degrees. With colleges that do offer counselling as a qualification; Harvest being one of them, they need to be the full two year diploma that qualifies someone for membership to the ACA because their standards are high enough to ensure a graduate with a diploma can counsel straight out of the box.

    As for Planetshakers and just about every issue that besets Planetshakers at the moment, change has to come from the grassroots. People who attend and call Planetshakers home need to start asking questions and voice concerns to their Urban Life leaders and make them forward your concerns up the leadership chain to the top and follow them up until change happens. You need also to be the change yourselves that way if the leadership ignores your concerns, your actions will shame them into changing their policies and strategic direction.

    The concept of the empowerment centre that Planetshakers has discussed has been around for several years. My understanding was that Festival Hall was the original site they wanted to purchase to establish it on. The leadership around 2005-06 did come close to signing off on a deal with the owner of the site but negotiations broke off due to price.

    I believe that the empowerment centre will go ahead in due course either at that site or somewhere else but quite frankly the issues within the church, namely the lack of proper feedback channels and deficient pastoral care of individuals needs to be addressed and resolved.

    If the leadership of Planetshakers aren’t faithful with what they have at the moment, adding an empowerment centre to the mix won’t change anything.

    theoriginalmattyc

    October 22, 2008 at 7:38 pm

  17. I think you are all a bit misguided. What is the point of all this? All it does is create dis-unity and causes more people (unbelievers) to despise Christianity. You need to get a life. No one is perfect. not one pastor, church, leader, musician, NOONE but Christ. This nonsense must stop. We are supposed to build and encourage one another in the faith, not sit back and judge.

    matt

    December 8, 2008 at 7:09 pm

  18. no lets keep it going people from the planetshakers want to know the fuckin truth about things if not we mite have to find a nuther church…….. fuck that!!!

    i know russle and sam aint perfect, thank you psi its good to know your thinking of us church goers thank you mate.

    pshaker

    March 14, 2010 at 6:54 pm


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